What an unbelievably upsetting experience my daughter and I had last night.
We went to Hickory Hollow Mall to run a couple of errands. One of the things we love to do together is have Mommy/Daughter pedicures. It’s a rare treat, and since there was a place open late enough for us to squeeze it in before the mall closed, we went for it.
The nail place is owned and operated by folks of Asian descent. They were very polite and accommodating, as you would expect any staff to be toward their customers. There were clientèle of three races in the store. Everybody was enjoying a Friday evening pampering after a long work week. It was fun.
Then a tall, very attractive African American woman came into the store, told the male employee up front what she wanted, and suddenly began to raise her voice to the man who was trying to help her.
“You need to learn how to speak to me with respect! I asked you a question, and I am not satisfied with the tone in which you have addressed me! I can’t understand you, and you need to speak more clearly in English!”
The place got quiet and everybody looked in disbelief.
She got louder and louder. The poor man was very meek in disposition and was trying to speak to her quietly, but she wouldn’t stop her tirade.
Her condescending tone was clearly meant to harass this man and intimidate him.
Then she said what I knew was coming from the choice of words she was using during the entire diatribe…
“…or is it that if my money was WHITE, I would be welcome here!”
There it was.
Mind you, my daughter and I were one of only 4 caucasians in the place. Every other customer in the store was black.
One of the other female workers went to her and asked her to sit down, and she would gladly fix her nails as soon as it was her turn. So the woman went and sat down in some chairs by two African American teenagers who were getting manicures.
She proceeded to speak very loudly to them:
“You just remember when you grow up that THIS is how you handle them. Make them respect you. Demand they speak to you properly!”
Everybody was watching her. The two girls were clearly embarrassed.
It figures…she decided to turn her attention to me because I was the nearest white girl, I suppose.
“How ya doin’? You got a problem?”
The entire time, what was upsetting me was that she was behaving this way in front of my daughter.
So, I said, “Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I wish you would tone it down and not be screaming and causing a scene in front of my child. You’re scaring her.”
Well, that was a mistake. She went off on me that it was none of my business, to which I replied that she made it everybody’s business since she was screaming so loud that she could be heard in the stores next to this one.
She, in a very sarcastic tone, addressed me as “baby.” I informed her that she would speak to me with the same respect that she was so loudly demanding of others.
This exchange escalated and I allowed my anger to get the best of me…I made the mistake of telling her she was being a bitch. I know it was wrong to use that word, and I have explained to my daughter that it was wrong and I was being a poor example, too.
The woman said she was going to call the police to have me arrested. I told her to please do so to save me from having to make the call.
Finally, two of the male employees went to her and told her to leave. She wouldn’t. Thank God, somebody finally called security. They took her outside of the store, talked to her, and then came in to speak with me.
Meanwhile, my daughter is crying and we’re all (others in the store) are trying to soothe her and let her know that everything is ok.
I told the security officers what happened, they confirmed it with one of the employees who told him that everybody else witnessed it and would concur.
I also asked them if they would come back when we were finished and escort my daughter and I to our car, because the woman was out of control. They were cool about it and said to just give them a call.
They made the woman leave the mall property.
This broke my heart: There was another group of young, black teenagers in the store and once the woman left, they all turned to us and said, “Everybody, we are so sorry. Not all of us are like that.”
I said, “Man, it’s ok…you girls shouldn’t even be put in that position, and I absolutely hate that you would even feel you have to put it in those terms, ‘all of us.’ But everything’s ok now…it’s all good.”
Here is the thing that is so ironic: The man spoke to me at the end of our visit to get my payment. He has a very thick Vietnamese accent and his speech pattern is very choppy. Yes, it comes across as “short” compared to the typical Southern style of English. However, it is merely the way he speaks due to his ethnic origin.
The woman obviously was looking for racism in a situation where it clearly didn’t exist.
What has happened to TOLERANCE of our differences?
It goes both ways, folks! It should go in every direction!
I am so disheartened today. The world is so angry. Polarized.
It shouldn’t matter what color our skin is or what language we speak or how we speak it. We are all members of the human race.
Can’t we all just get along?
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There’s nobody more racist than black people. Chris Rock said it, and I firmly believe it.
And no, you shouldn’t have called her a bitch. You should’ve called her a c#nt.
RON!
I think that racism exists on all levels and within all races. In our country, it began with white people being racist toward black people. Unfortunately, as each generation has grown up, it has gotten more and more complicated, and has spread through each race toward each other.
It’s sad.
I was raised to be polite to people. To always say “Please”, “thank you” and “excuse me.” You know, like if you’re in a grocery store and someone’s cart is in your way so you say “excuse me, please” instead of “could you move?” That sort of thing.
My husband was raised to always be polite, but to also be gentlemanly. He opens doors for people, helps little old ladies get stuff off the top shelf, etc.
Many years ago–probably 10–we were in Kroger’s on McGavock Pike in Donelson. I can’t remember the various circumstances; either my husband helped a black woman with something or she needed him to move so she could get her cart past. Either way it was a situation where “please” and “thank you” would have been called for.
Her daughter (a girl of about 8 ) looked back at us and said “thank you.” I really chalked it up to the fact that the woman was probably just tired after a long day or something and her well-brought-up daughter was making sure the pleseantries were not totally lost.
No. The woman totally laid into the daughter, right there in Kroger. “I don’t care what your damn daddy says. You do NOT say Please and Thank You to WHITE PEOPLE for NOTHING! They brought us as slaves to this country and you would be a queen in Africa if it wasn’t for them.” (You bet I remember that speech from 10 years ago, because I was astonished.)
The thing is, I had mixed emotions. I was slightly offended because I just see “Please” and “thank you” as polite words, not words of subservience. I say them all the time and I don’t feel humiliated at all.
But then, I could kind of see her point, in a way. Maybe that’s one small way to strike back at what she sees as systematic oppression.
Still and all, I thought it was bizarre, because she seemed to think she was fighting back against racism, but by refusing to treat a certain group of people with what she knew was basic decency because of their race was racist.
Whew…long comment.
The other thing I meant to say is that we used to love going to HH Mall, but the last few times we’ve gone after 5:00 it seems like a different place.
Oh, and was the woman drunk? It sounds like she may have been. We’re forever seeing drunk-ass people at HH mall.
Weird. That smily was actually the number 8 followed by a parenthesis because the girl was eight years old.
“How ya doin’? You got a problem?”
That is a setup. Any answer from you would have been jumped on.
A technique I use is to smile assuringly while nodding my head and say “I know what you mean”.
Try it. She won’t know what you mean or what you are saying. But it will disarm the situation.
Sadly, Chris Rock is a bit of a prophet on race relations. You sound like you avoided a Jerry Springer moment. I doubt she would call the cops. In the end it sounds like it worked out. Except that your daughter saw some things you wish she hadn’t.
I would bet something happened earlier to her and she had a chip on her shoulder.
BTW, the problem with the R. King proverb is that sometimes you need to hold your ground. So the fact we get alone as well as we do should not be overlooked.
My heart goes out to you. I’ve been in similar situations but not to that level. Kudos to the others in the store who spoke out against her. That should help your daughter’s perception of the events.
I just don’t even know what to say, Ginger. Geebus. How horrifying.
“I don’t care what your damn daddy says. You do NOT say Please and Thank You to WHITE PEOPLE for NOTHING! They brought us as slaves to this country and you would be a queen in Africa if it wasn’t for them.”
Or, you know, she’d be dead of malnutrition and AIDS at 30. Either way.
Oh Ginger, that is horrible! I’m sorry your daughter had to see that. I applaud you for speaking out to that crazy lady though. Ugh, racism is disgusting, no matter where it comes from.
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Ginger, I honestly don’t know what to say.
I’ve never been in a situation like this.
Give Amanda a hug from me.
Way to stand up for yourself and the others there. People like that woman disgust me.
Many people sing the words of Amazing Grace. The world would be such a wonderful place if most folks actually understood what those words mean.
On one hand, I’m really sorry that Amanda had to see this, but on the other hand, this won’t be the last time in her life when she confronts arrogance, prejudice and scorn.
I’m glad I got to hug Amanda today…she (and her mom) are quite some special folks.
Good for you. Racism clearly did exist and you confronted it head-on instead of remaining quiet and letting that b**ch think what she was doing was somehow okay or justified.. Racism comes in all colors.
Oh, Ginger, how unpleasant for you and for your daughter. And for everyone else there, of course. I’m with whoever it was who suggested the woman might have been drunk or high, but that’s really no excuse. Think of it as a lesson to your daughter: “if you act ugly to people, this is how they’re going to react.” Otherwise, ugh.
As for Ron’s suggestion that “there’s nobody more racist than black people,” it’s true; of course, it’s equally true and equally relevant that there’s nobody less racist than black people. Because, ya know, people is people, and I haven’t found that any one group of us (whatever criteria you use to define the group) is more or less insular than any other. It’s easier for us to see this failing in others, because our own is so familiar to us and looks so natural, while other people’s is new and odd and all.
Thanks so much to all of you for your kind and thoughtful comments!
Kat I fixed your “8″ … that’s something with this template that makes an 8 and a ) into a smiley face.
Number9, I really like your idea. As I have reflected on the event, I wish I would have just smiled and said something like, “aw, it’s been a long week for all of us hasn’t it?”
You sound like you avoided a Jerry Springer moment.
I’m just glad I’m not presently live-blogging from the clink! I do have excellent lawyers who’d help me out, though. heh.
…she seemed to think she was fighting back against racism, but by refusing to treat a certain group of people with what she knew was basic decency because of their race was racist.
Kat, I believe you are 100% spot on about what happened in your situation and mine. Both women were trying to fight back against folks who had nothing to do with the plight they were/are currently in. In doing so, they were the very ones being the racists.
I swear, the more I live, the more I am becoming a disciple of John Lennon.
“All we are saying…is give peace a chance.”
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Well, I didn’t say that, nm. Chris Rock did. Except he said that there’s nobody more racist than an old black man.
That ol gal….besides being racist, has no class, upbringing and is ignorant. I could say a whole lot of things but I’ll leave it at that.
You’re the kind of mommy I strive to be! As disturbing as it was for Amanda to witness, I think it’s a good thing that she was with you and saw you stand up for what was right. I would not have had the “balls” to confront that woman the way you did!!
I think, actually, your daughter saw and heard something she NEEDED to see and hear. She was present at a very important learning moment.
She needed to see the worst side of people, in order to understand why she needs to present herself in the best way. You can’t always protect her from this sort of experience, at the mall, at school, or through her life, but you can make sure she understands it in the context of living and loving.
You can share why you were goaded and what you wish would have been your response, and help her learn to understand that sometimes we ALL say and do inappropriate things that we regret.
The most important lesson you can teach her is to forgive — to forgive the woman for boorish behavior, to forgive you for letting the situation get away from you, AND to forgive herself for being scared. Don’t forget to forgive yourself, either, so she can see your words in action.
THAT ATTRACTIVE AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN DID SHOW HER TRUE COLORS….BLACK AND RACIAL . SHE SHOULD’VE BEEN ESCORTED OUT THE DOOR AS QUICKLY AS SHE CAME IN. THE DISGUSTING B**CH !
folks folks listen. i know ginger and i also know ginger knows better than to incite a situation like she did. ginger is so dramatic sometimes and tends to embellish. /sarcasm
she and i grew up in south florida and i know our daddies taught us why black folks are angry and harbor these feelings. our daddies asked us when we were in the sixth grade why did we think the bottom of black folks feet and their palms were light in color? we said we didn’t know. i think after my post everyone will agree that ginger should have empathized with that poor women of color than to become confrontational like she did and that non of this would have happened had she had remembered the lake story. i even wonder if ginger has told her kid about the lake. you know what i think now is a good time to go ahead and remind ginger of that story and to tell all of you reading the blog that story as well. here is how that valuable story and life lesson was taught to us when we were kids.
our dads asked us why did we think there were black people and ginger and i both were like we don’t know. they said that a long long time ago there was a lake and black people could jump in the lake and turn white. our daddies then went on to say that over the years the lake began to dry up and it got to the point to where black people could only get the bottom of their feet wet and pat their palms in the lake and that was why the feet and palms were light in color and the rest of their bodies were much darker. evidently ginger forgot that story which surprises me.
had i been there i would have told that poor women i understand where her anger comes from. i also would have told her that my ancestors prayed for the lake not to dry up. however, ginger missed an opportunity to reach out.
I don’t know about you guys/gals but while i was typing this I was LMAO trying to put a humorous spin on a sad situation that Ginger experienced and to shine the light on why our society is the way it is. Ginger I’m sorry you went through that experience and your daughter had a very teachable moment to last a life time. I hope you told her about the lake (just kidding just kidding) but I am sure when it was done you had a chance to explain about life to her and did a good job. We all know that what we are taught as children by our parents has a major influence on us as adults. Parental influence (and in Ginger and myself case stories that were told) is why people are still the way they are.
PEOPLE BLACK AND WHITE (OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST SAY PARENTS IN GENERAL) STOP TEACHING THE NONSENSE TO YOUR CHILDREN SO IT CARRIES ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION. LOOK AT THE BLACK WOMEN THAT ENTERED THAT SALON AND YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW OR WHAT SHE WAS TAUGHT. ALL PEOPLE SHOULD STOP LOOKING TO POINT A FINGER AND LOOKING FOR EXCUSES. DO THE RIGHT THING IN LIFE, MAKE GOOD CHOICES AND DON’T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR MISTAKES. PULL YOURSELVES UP BY THE BOOT STRAPS AND DON’T ASK OTHERS OR EXPECT OTHERS TO DO IT FOR YOU. HOPEFULLY, SOMEHOW SOMEWAY THAT MAYBE THE LESSONS THEY RECEIVED FROM THEIR PARENTS THEY WILL RECOGNIZE WERE WRONG AND MAYBE THEY SHOULD BEGIN TO RETHINK LIFE AND STRIVE TO MAKE THINGS BETTER HERE FOR ALL OF US AND GENERATIONS TO FOLLOW.
ginger and i now know the lake really didn’t exist
Hmmn. What was the point of this story, to go see, see, the blacks can be racist too? That motive, in and of itself, could be racist.
Don’t worry, I know that woman is a fool, but perhaps you should see if you don’t have any racist flowers growing in the darkness of your mental attic.
“I wonder,” the point of the story is that, yes, everybody can be racist.
I suppose that you would just rather have these experiences swept under the rug? I hate to tell you, but that won’t make them go away.
Ignorance is not bliss.
Piling on to say that I’m so sorry all of y’all had to endure this situation but am so pleased that you were able to turn it into a learning opportunity for your sweet girl (and maybe yourself, it seems).
I do not know why people of any race, gender, religion or orientation seem to want to go around STARTING trouble, other than this persistent I-am-a-VICTIM mentality that’s developed in society. (And if they’re not a victim, they’ll try to make someone “victimize” them, as in this case.) The whole thing could have been handled so differently with a simple, “I’m sorry, buddy. Can you repeat that? I’ve had a long day of listening to my boss yell and I’m not hearing normally.” Everyone would have laughed, the gentleman would have repeated whatever was in question and everybody would have gone home happily.
I just want to tell people like that no-class woman, “Listen, do you want to know victimization? Do you want to know disrespect? Ask that lady over there about her grandfather being burned alive and her grandmother being raped by the Khmer Rouge. Or that man you just berated, who was beaten nearly senseless by a carload of rednecks a couple of years ago just because he didn’t look like them. See? Just like you, EVERYBDOY’S got problems, ‘BABY’. But grown, stable people don’t just walk them out for the world to see every minute of every day.”
And “I wonder,” while I am not in Ginger’s head, I imagine the point of her story also is that crazy people of all stripes are walking around trying to cause a ruckus for no good reason every blessed day that dawns. And that she hated that her daughter had to see that sort of stupidity so young. Race was a factor in the event and in the retelling of it simply because the woman made it so.
“i wonder” (maybe i shouldn’t) but the point of the story is that it is a learned behavior. the point of the story is that “white” people got the same biggoted lessons from parents that obviously that black women did from her parents or guardian growing up. the point of the story at least from kenny and ginger’s perspective is that we learned to take what was good in life and to discard the negative unbecoming behaviors and mentality in an effort to make the best of this world with the cards that we got dealt and move on like for the most part so many of you out there have done the same. if you keep looking in the past then your not moving forward. in most instances though all of us would have played a better game than that women did, a much more mature game (life is a game) maybe becasue of an education we received. if we continue this all about me attitude (which basically she was) how pathetic and sad for her as well as those who also dwell in the past.
I love it when I hear Black Americans pull the race card. Toss up “if we were in Africa….” Why do some feel that they personally have to take on the battle? Unless they were born in Africa and were brought here within the last 50 years against their will, give it a rest. You could take most black Americans, drop them off in the middle of Africa and they couldn’t wait to come home. It seems that everyone in the US has something to owe the black Americans that are here. Not all of them mind you a minority.
Racism against any form of people isn’t right. Gay, Black, Asian, native American etc. it wont stop anytime soon and wont get any better. As long as the views continue from one generation to the next, it will continue.
I’m so glad that your daughter was with us at “Word Of Life” last night !
Hopefully she will put two and two together as see how people of all races should get along.
I don’t think I would have had the presence of mind to stand up for myself the way that you did in this situation. I think the biggest lesson that comes out of this is that bad manners and being inconsiderate of other people does not have a color. This story would have been just as powerful if no one had been identified by their race.
Obviously being a bitch didn’t get her nails done.
Treat others as you would like to be treated. Just who got respect in this situation? I’m pretty sure it was you.
wow. Wow is all I can say. Both to the story and to one of the comments (troll troll troll).
Ginger, darling, I’m proud of you for being in the moment so much that you were on your toes. I usually don’t come up with those things to say until five minutes after the situation is done.
And it does sound like your daughter had a good lesson. It’s unfortunate that there’s a time where we have to learn these lessons…
” A case study in racism”….hmmmmm, nah, i don’t think so. Sounds more like a case study of the “victim mindset”. She wasn’t necessarily being racist by launching a tirade at the shopkeeper because he spoke broken English. Chances are the “its this way because i am black” response is her default mode when she gets frustrated or feels slighted. I agree that though it made her uncomfortable, children need to experience people however they come, and learn how to react to aggression. There was no correct response, that is, you may feel that you didn’t say or do the right thing, but then you realized that there was another way to handle it, and explained that to her.
In the end, no harm, no foul.
I’ll just say that it seems to me that when most people are complaining about being “disrespected” or are demanding respect….they usually don’t have a firm grasp of what respect is.
WOW!! that was an ordeal…We have people come thru the airport with that kind of attitude all the time….sometimes it’s hard to hold my tongue.
Just sad to know this crap happens to anyone! Sorry you had to be the one and your daughter had to witness it as well.
good lord I hate people like that. Of all places, hickory hollow mall is not the place to throw out the “if I was white” card. i went to that mall back in November…and I swear I was the only white person there. I didn’t care……but I was afraid I’d come across an angry racist.
I feel badly for your daughter. That woman made a total JACKASS of herself…but she probably doesn’t even realize it. This situation defines the term “ignorance is bliss”.
She was just a friggin head banger. I have seen plenty of ignorant nutters like that. Nothing to do with race, just nutters.
Or a crackhead.
Hey Ginger! Saw your blog re: racism and thought I’d share a slightly similar story. This past spring, I took my barely-2-year-old son in for his first professional haircut at Great Clips here in Spring Hill. He was a bit freaked out and cried and screamed A LOT. The woman cutting his hair was a black lady and she made the following comment: “All little white kids are like this whenever a black person cuts their hair. It’s because they hate black people.” Yes, that’s a direct quote and because she had a sharp object in her hand, and my two-year-old’s hair was nearly done, I just smiled and let her finish.
This woman no longer works at the hair salon. I’m not sure why, actually. I was hoping to see her again and hopefully deflate her blown up ideas about what racism truly is. To actually accuse a little toddler of being a racist is ludicrous at best. He was a two-year-old responding the way most children his age do, when receiving his first hair cut. The woman could have been as white as the driven snow, and his reaction to her would have been the same.
There are two other black women in the salon now, and Cameron reacts to them the exact same way he reacts to the three other white women in the salon. Maybe it’s not a black and white thing after all. Maybe he just hates women! ;-p
He was a two-year-old responding the way most children his age do, when receiving his first hair cut.
Tammy, your story made me laugh…not because of what happened, but because I was thinking that at least she only had a crying child…when I took my nephew for a haircut for the first time, he not only cried, he PEED everywhere! I’d say she got off easy on the deal! lololol