I came across this post over at Mack’s place where we see this very interesting sign that is evidently posted in Missouri.
Rather than give my own take on it, I defer to Heartbreaktown, who gave the perfect comment…
I love the “quotes”! Funny, I have never seen anyone put quotes around their middle name.
If Obama is pro-contraception [meaning, having healthcare coverage for contraception], there will likely be less abortions.
I recall Obama flat-out saying he was opposed to same-sex marriage.
Obama’s plan calls for less taxes for me, if it’s more for you, then you must make over $250k. Congrats!
Gun regulations – I hope so.
But I have seen him wear that head dress, so he must be muslim. Guiliani wore make-up, so I guess that makes him a woman.
Then, I was perusing one of my favorite new-to-me blogs, Screaming From The Rooftop, wherein
It’s true that change is hard. Change isn’t easy. The question you have to ask yourself is what’s more risky? Going ahead and bringing about changes that we know we have to make in order to assure that our children have a better future, or doing the same things that we have been doing over and over again even though we know they don’t work?
Folks, we are in a time right now when it is too risky not to change. It is risky to keep on doing what we’re doing, to accept the tired status quo.
–Barack Obama
As a Christian, I believe that God has not given me the spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind (II Timothy 1:7). Therefore, I have to wonder why we are seeing such “vicious anti-Obama attitude” coming forth in these McCain rallies? Why do some feel the need to bear false witness against this man who proclaims to be a brother in Christ? Why, just the other night, it absolutely broke my heart to see one of my friends from church write on their Facebook status that Barack Obama was a con-artist and the anti-Christ. I’m sorry, folks, but there is no evidence whatsoever that the man has bowed before any graven images. If you tell me there is evidence, then YOU have the obligation to PROVE it. Simple as that. All any of us have to our names is our word. Obama’s word is what it is, and he has continued to have an answer for each and every accusation that has come forth from his enemies, just as much as John McCain and Sarah Palin have.
Well, except for the fact that as I write this, I just got a text message that an Alaska legislative panel found that Palin abused her power in a state official’s firing, although she violated no law.
See? It goes both ways. Pray all you want, but the fact remains that nobody gets to that level of power without getting their hands dirty.
The hateful rhetoric has gotten so bad that Barack Obama’s opponent, John McCain, is now having to defend him. At a Minnesota rally, McCain himself had to tell his supporters to TONE IT DOWN!
From Time.com:
“I respect Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” People booed at the mention of his name.
McCain, visibly angry, stopped them: “I want EVERYONE to be respectful, and lets make sure we are.”
The very next questioner tried to push back on this request, noting that he needed to “tell the American the TRUTH about Barack Obama” — a not very subtle way, I think, to ask John McCain to NOT tell the truth about Barack Obama.
McCain told her there’s a “difference between record and rhetoric, and I plan to talk about his record, respectfully… I don’t mean that has to reduce your ferocity, I just mean it has to be respectful.”
And then later, again, someone dangled a great big piece of low-hanging fruit in front of McCain: “I’m scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president.”
McCain replies, “Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But,” and he pauses for emphasis, “you don’t have to be scared to have him be President of the United States.” A round of boos.
And he snaps back: “Well, obviously I think I’d be better. “
Of course, this is kind of the best of both world: Crazy base-world gets to bring up Ayers and whatever else, really, and he gets to say, “Be respectful.”
But I think he means it.
UPDATE: Indeed, he just snatched the microphone out the hands of a woman who began her question with, “I’m scared of Barack Obama… he’s an Arab terrorist…”
“No, no ma’am,” he interrupted. “He’s a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements.”
Alrighty then, let’s see how much McCain supporters truly respect the man they rallying behind.
Did you hear what he said?
“Be respectful.”
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McCain’s and Palin’s crowds have been absolutely terrifying. They’ve really gone crazy and it’s scary. I think McCain has some decency in him and I think he’s actually shocked about the monster he’s created – you can see it in his face. As much as I don’t like McCain’s policies, or maybe I don’t even like *him*, but I don’t think this campaign is a good representation of him as a man, and I think he may already be sorry about it. He sold his soul and he may be wondering if he can take it back.
Perhaps McCain was forced to take a tack prescribed by the RNC, since he needed their money, having been badly out-raised by the Obama campaign. But it (the campaign) has been so tone-deaf it takes my breath away. Obama has begun to play it safe, because the McCain campaign is imploding. The losers? Us.
McCain looks like Anakin Skywalker finally realizing he’s been working for the Dark Side.
I’ve seen so much disrespect towards McCain and Palin as well. I think it just goes with the terrority of a presidential campaign. They always get ugly. Doesn’t make it right….it’s just the way it is….on both sides.
By the way, mark my words now. If Obama is elected, I’m willing to bet that those making under 250k will be taxed. I have yet to see a Democrat who promised otherwise live up to that promise.
I said the same thing when Tim Kain was running for governor in my state of Virginia. As soon as he was in office, he went back on all his “I won’t tax you” promises and has taxed us to death.
I could be wrong, but I won’t be surprised if I’m right.
Very entertaining… haven’t yet decided which way to vote, but I am honestly sick of the current path we are on as a nation… bankrupting our own to take on billions in spending to continue the war(s)…
We need some fresh thinking… and responsible thinking, and to be honest, I am not hearing a heck of a lot that is promising from either candidate… oh, they make promises, but just don’t sound promising to me…
If I had to choose today, it would be Obama… but I am also uncomfortable that I feel there is alot about him I do not yet know…
J/
Excellent post, Ginger! I love the take on that sign, and I love the way you highlighted ‘be respectful’!
We need to be studying policies and platforms instead of resorting to personal attacks. Neither candidate is perfect, and I don’t believe either one claims to be without flaw.
Popularity contests are for high school.
I respect McCain for attempting to set a more positive tone amongst his advocates.
Excellent post, Ginger!
I encountered this attitude of hate towards Obama and total disrespect, in a Bible study class no less. I was appalled and offended. It disgusts me.
Well, Blondeblogger, perhaps its time all of us invent some ways to make paying taxes palatable to those who mistakenly believe that everything they earn is theirs and was created in a vacuum. Having a Democracy that keeps 300 million people safe and educated is quite expensive. Lets attack needless waste, first. Then, lets pony up what is needed, and be proud to contribute.
heartbreaktown: I believe McCain is a good man, too. I am pleased to see him call people out and tell them to shut it.
chez beziat: Now, now…I believe there is good on both sides of the aisle (spoken like a true moderate voice, eh?). However, there has GOT to be some toning down of the hate rhetoric and the fear mongering. He knows that, and thank God he is finally taking a stand.
BlondeBlogger: Welcome fellow blonde with a brain!
Yes, it is disheartening that campaigns have to be reduced to this level of disrespect. I have always voted Republican. For the first time in my life I am going to vote D. Why? One simple question:
Are we better off now than we were 8 years ago?
goteeman: Welcome! I love facial hair, as noted in this post.
Yes, I understand your discomfort (see my comment to BlondeBlogger above), but I am still researching, still digging. As of today, it’s Obama for me, as well.
Sue: Thank you! I want you to know that I have not abandoned your blog. I have about 8 posts saved of yours to sit down and read when I have about an hour to devote. They are all SO good and I don’t want to be distracted!
Heather D: Yes, I couldn’t agree with you more: Popularity contests are for high school.
newscoma: Thank you, my friend.
Finn: See, that’s what grieves me because I can’t stand how divisive this has become. I was up until 3am thinking about this. Seriously. I have another post coming…”Be Respectful: Part 2″ Stay tuned.
Mack: There isn’t a day that goes by lately that I don’t think about how right you were a year & a half ago when you were saying we were headed toward hard times…yeah, when I was kind of doubting you wondering if you had gone mad…oh how I wish I had been right. I know you wish you had been wrong, too.
I hate to even comment on this post because of the possibility than someone will claim that I am defending signs like the above or unhinged Obama critics in general. But I can’t help myself!
Ginger,
It kind of depends why we are or aren’t better off than we were at some former point, doesn’t it?
Re. the abortion issue, since when did the abortion issue come down to contraception? Partial-birth abortion, protection for born alive infants (objects of abortion), and support of abortion-on-demand all stand apart from contraception.
nedwilliams – The abortion issue doesn’t specifically come down to contraception, but the point is, if contraception was made more easily available to people (ie covered by a prescription plan), it could prevent the pregnancy IN THE FIRST PLACE, thereby negating the “need” for an abortion. Of course, in order for this to work, we would have to make INSURANCE more easily available to people. Follow the chain?
Ginger, I have found some of our Nashville church friends on Facebook (are you a member?? I can’t find you.), but I’m honestly very hesitant to contact them. I can deal with someone having a different opinion than mine, but I would hate to think that someone I considered a friend would be so ignorant as to believe Obama is the Anti-Christ. I think that’s simply a hateful and despicable ploy to put fear into people so they won’t even consider voting for him.
The ironic thing is, IF he were the Anti-Christ, why would Christians try to prevent him from coming into power?? Doesn’t the Anti-Christ HAVE to come into power for Biblical prophecy to be fulfilled? If they TRULY believe he is the Anti-Christ – and their saying so isn’t just a political move – then they should actually vote FOR him so that they don’t stand in the way of Biblical fulfillment…right?
Mack- I think you’re making unfair presumptions about those who don’t want a tax hike. No one said anything about “everything we make being ours” or it being created in a vacuum.
I believe the key to a healthy economy is easing the tremendous tax burden families and small businesses are facing (mainly due to the needless and wasteful spending you mention).
You have every right to disagree, but I won’t presume that people like you need to be taught to clean up house first and THEN take a look at how much Americans should be paying. So please show me the same respect (which, ironically, is what this whole post is about)
Ginger- As for being better off than we were eight years ago, remember that Democrats in Congress (who are the majority) played a big part in this mess we’re in today. I’m angry at how much spending Bush let them get away with. IMO, McCain isn’t going to allow more of the same, but Obama will.
McCain was the one who warned us about a possible Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac fiasco years ago, while Obama was the #2 recipient of money from Fannie/Freddie:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/
(Be sure to watch the YouTube video in the post which explains Obama’s profits well)
I totally respect your opinion, though and appreciate the warm welcome and friendly debate! (Yay for brainy blondes! *grin*)
johnnyb,
Sure, I understand “the chain,” but I would classify it as obfuscation, unless a person thinks Obama’s support of abortion on demand, killing children born alive after an attempted abortion, and partial birth abortion is an esoteric issue.
nedwilliams,
I don’t think anyone is (and I am certainly not) trying to use the contraception issue as an attempt to confuse people about Obama’s view on abortion. Clearly, he believes it should be a legal choice for every woman to make, regardless of the situation. However, you seemed to question what abortion had to do with contraception and I was stating the fact that, if we make contraception more easily available (affordable through insurance), it would reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thereby reduce the number of abortions. Of course, that most likely still wouldn’t change Obama’s opinion on a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion.
johnnyb: Refresh my memory, but here’s a direct quote from a CNN.com article today:
“Obama opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade and disagreed with Supreme Court ruling to uphold the “Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.” He did not cast a vote on Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions amendment in 2007.”
I may be missing something here, but where does this include “killing children born alive after an attempted abortion”? Is that supposed to be included in the partial birth abortion rhetoric? And is this something you’ve read someplace beyond right-to-life literature? Because I grew up in a church where we were taught similar things (including that collagen in most beauty products came from aborted babies) and I have found much of that info to be very suspect when I investigated it independently.
Actually, that would be Ned I’m addressing, not Johnnyb. Sorry.
Ned: Barack Obama supports a woman’s right to choose a legal abortion. Let’s face it: it is highly likely that law will never be repealed again. It hasn’t been in the 8 years Bush has been in office.
FACT: Barack Obama is NOT in favor of “killing children born alive after an attempted abortion”.
Please note the following Editorial in the Chicago Sun Times by Illinois State Sen. Rick Winkel-R in which he has to concede that none of those who voted against SB-1082 favored infanticide: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0905vplettersbriefs0sep05,0,3918744.story
johnnyb,
Heartbreaktown explicitly parried the “abortion” reference in the sign above with the junk about contraception.
ariedana,
I wasn’t referring to particular article, and just because it isn’t mentioned in a given article talking about Obama’s abortion views doesn’t mean he doesn’t hold that view.
Ginger,
The make up of the Supreme Court is the determining factor of whether we’ll continue to “see” a federal right to abortion. That has changed over the past eight years, and any progress toward a respect for life will certainly be reversed with Obama appointments, and Obama has promised to push for passage of FOCA, and–as I mentioned above, he supports abortion without any restrictions. From all appearances, Obama is not bothered by abortion. I don’t know your views on abortion, Ginger, but there is no question that Obama is extreme on the issue.
But gosh, that editorial to which you linked is interesting.
Bless that former legislator’s heart. People need to read it and not just assume that it sheds light on the issue or exonerates Obama from claims of indifference to nascent human life. Noone would ever admit being “for” infanticide, but opposing legislation that would give rights to a baby born alive following a failed abortion looks a lot like infanticide to me. Here’s the paper trail concerning Obama and the BAIPA.
nedwilliams,
Yes, she did. She said simply that Obama’s “pro-contraception” stance would likely lower the number of abortions, and that’s just common sense. The two ARE linked, and that isn’t junk. She, nor I, said it would end the need for abortions nor change Obama’s position that women should have the choice, legally, to have an abortion.
Ned, I am quite aware that the Supreme Court is the determining factor, thanks.
As for a paper trail, here is the Illinois statute: [Illinois Compiled Statutes, 720 ILCS 510/6] which states that a doctor must preserve the life and health of a fetus if in the course of an abortion, there is reasonable likelihood of sustained survival. Violation of these statutes constituted a Class 3 felony. At the time Obama voted against a bill containing language designed to protect infants who were “born alive,” such protection was already on the books as Illinois state law.
The bill was opposed by many legislators and groups like the Illinois Medical Society because of the unintended impact it would have had on other laws and legal precedents in Illinois.
It was not, as you are making it appear here, as cut and dry as “Barack Obama is a baby killer,” so just stop.
Look, the topic of this post is NOT abortion, it is about being respectful and not using slandering, inflammatory, hate-mongering campaign tactics. I do not want to derail the thread any further, so while I am glad to have you here and appreciate your comments, Ned, if you want to continue down this road, please move along, because I’m finished with this line of discussion.
Hey, that’s fine, Ginger.
But I flatly reject any assertion that anything I said about Obama and abortion was slanderous, inflammatory, or hate-mongering.
And no offense was intended with the SCOTUS assertion, but your statement implied that Bush somehow had control over SCOTUS openings. Good night.
Thanks, Ned. Good night.
Obama didn’t even support the original law on the books. Listen to how he says that requiring that other doctor to be in the room to protect a baby should it survive, is a “burden” on the mother:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc
He also said that he supported a federal version of the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and would’ve voted for such a bill if Illinois’s was like it because the wording wouldn’t put abortion rights in jeopardy (which, then, conflicts with the argument that such laws were already on the books and weren’t needed).
When Illiniois tried to change the language of the bill to match that federal version, Obama first approved the amendment, and then voted against the bill and killed it:
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html
(scroll to the bottom of the article to see the reference)
and here:
http://www.bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx
So he tried to have it both ways. Even NARAL refused to oppose such a law, and Senators like Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer supported it.
So I think it shows just how extreme Obama is on this issue. (which would explain his comment that he wouldn’t want his daughters “punished with a baby” if they became pregnant as a teen….that’s his mentality)
See, also this powerful testimony from an abortion survivor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s
While I know the topic of this post wasn’t abortion, I felt the need to clarify this since it was being discussed. I believe it’s vital to deciding who should be leading our country after the election. I myself am not comfortable having someone with that kind of extremist view as my president.
Sorry…forgot to include this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4B3O9uUc-4
Testimony from Jill Stanek, who spurred this bill, and explanation on Obama’s voting record on it.
Okay, that comment above isn’t going to make much sense since my previous one is awaiting moderation, lol. Anyone reading this, know that there is a previous comment that goes along with it that needs to be approved first. Thanks! (and sorry for hogging up the comments, Ginger!)
Blondeblogger, respectfully, thats a crock.
Got a war to fight? Lower taxes. Economy plunging into the abyss? Lower taxes. Infrastructure collapsing? Lower taxes.
The mantra never changes. I run a “typical” American household. Family of four, a mortgage, kids with braces, etc. You know. Typical. Our income is still 5 figures, yet, we manage to pay our bills, save for retirement, and contribute to the collective good without sacrificing very much. Sure, we drive old cars, and shop at GoodWill for clothes, but we would likely do those things without an income tax.
The idea that we are “taxed to death” is laughable. Our tax rate in this country is ridiculously low, if you compare almost any other industrialized country.
As i said, a nation of 300 million is going to need some governing. So, absent taxes, any time you interact with said Govt, on any level, it is going to cost you. Educating children costs money. So do police officers, Firemen. Roads, bridges, food inspectors, and, oh yeah, a military.
I operated a small business, and paid my employees fairly, that is, not only did I pay them a wage, I cut them in on the profits, and as a result, theft, normally rampant in my business, was never a factor in my budget.
So, my response to you up top was to ask for another way to present this issue to Americans. That was my first paragragh. In the second, i was lamenting the mentality, not implying you shared it.
Respectfully yours.
BlondeBlogger, I just fished your comment out of my spam folder…sorry about that!
Carry on…
Oh, I should add that I’ll be back to comment more in depth a bit later.
Mack- I believe taxing is somewhat unconstitutional however I realize that some should be used for things such as police officers. I am not happy about the taxation for public education. The reason being the amount of my taxes going to public education has become overwhelming and yet the results are worse than before.
Let us look at the history of our economy and apply that to what we need to do now.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-02-20-debate-oppose_x.htm
http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm
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Obama’s argument against the IILA was not that it was in the books or something similar was in the books.
He said:
“What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”
The reason that this law was trying to get passed was that there was testimony from Illinois nurses and other staff that said they saw babies not being treated witht he right care…being left to die…etc. NARAL even supported the IILA. There was no reason to vote it down. Not to mention he could not even give a vote he voted present the first time…not very surprised about that.
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As far as the gun issue goes, even more regulation is completely unconstitutional. It seems that the public is so in favor of change that they do not mind taking the constitution and throwing it away. The people forget their rights and the fact that the government was created by them to protect them but not to run aspects of their lives. This is something the founding fathers warned us about. But here Obama is…ready to give our healthcare to the government. What makes you think that they can run that better than they have anything else? Obama is willing to forget second amendment rights. He is willing to regulate the “free” market. I do not care what party you are for but when i see things like this, rather than let my emotion rule me about change, I see a very dangerous path.
Well, first of all, Obama is pro-second amendment.
Were you as outraged when Bush essentially tossed the Constitution to eavesdrop on U.S. Citizens? What do you think of the Patriot Act?
Lastly, think about this: I am absolutely stunned by the number of so called Christians that do not take Obamas word that he is a Christian. How many of you would stand the scrutiny this man has endured with respect to having to prove it? Could you? If so…how? Church attendance? Tithing amounts? Good deeds? Familiarity with Scripture? What is the Litmus test? My FiL is a minister who happens to support a woman’s right to choose. Would you question his love of Christ for this position?
Mack, that’s GREAT that you’re so good at managing your money and running a business and family budget!! OMG!
I guess all of the other families and businesses struggling out there just don’t have what it takes like you do. Respectfully, maybe you could start offering seminars to them or something and offer them your socialist expertise? You did want to teach them, after all, that they should be happy to hand over their money to the government, so you could throw that in as a bonus, too. Respectfully.
Mack,
“Obama is pro-second amendment”? . . . not really.
Eavesdropping on phone calls between Americans with suspected terrorists not protected by our Constitution (not to mention such a program that was done with full knowledge of the Dem leadership) is hardly “tossing the constitution.
Re. the Christian stuff, I’m not sure how to respond to that, but the message espoused at Trinity United Church of Christ is troubling and we really need to focus on a candidate’s policies more than his/her professed religious beliefs. Ultimately, it s more instructive, I think, to know about a candidate’s worldview, rather than his/her identification w/ Christianity.
Regarding taxes, I read yesterday that Federal spending on education increased something like 40% during the Bush administration. It is a healthy (and certainly American) premise, from a political perspective, to assume that everything we make is ours. In fact, it’s troubling and does not bode well for freedom to begin with any other premise.
Ned, freedom? I get so tired of that crusty old canard. Did every Conservative on the planet all see Braveheart together? Freedom is pretty relative, as far as I’m concerned. How free am I to drive about unmolested by police during a swell of nativism? Got a family and mortgage and a few loans out there. Try not paying them, see how free you are to live by squatting and living off the land.
The education budget amount is less important to me than how it is spent. Heres the thing…we could find common ground on eliminating wasteful spending…but I feel that there will always be a desire by conservatives to squeeze more and more out of less and less. I’m willing to take a shot at it, right around the time our education budget and our defense budget are equal, dollar for dollar.
Blondemom, I’m happy to make myself available to you if you are having difficulty setting a budget or running a business. Just be prepared to re-think your entire approach to business and business ethics. No charge. Thats how i respectfully roll.
Oh, Ned, one last thing…are you sure we want to start comparing which religions seem suspect? Thats a trick-bag, to be sure. What on Earth will you do when us Flying spaghetti monster worshippers are the majority?
Gosh, Mack. How kind of you! But why stop with me? What about the middle class that Obama says is struggling? They’re hurting. Surely they could use your help too! I mean if YOU can do it, why can’t they, right? Too bad we can’t all be like you.
I read that article in TIME this last week and was shocked that people are turning so angry and violent. I give credit to McCain for trying to calm the storm, but you have to wonder with someone like Steve Schmidt (Rove trained) on the McCain team, that kind of vitriol isn’t surprising at all. How much worse can it get?
But calling for Obama to be killed? Since when is that acceptable practice at a political rally? If you don’t like Obama, so be it.
And that’s all I’m saying here.
Too bad we can’t all be like you.
A constant source of consternation and sadness for me…
Wait a minute! That OBAMA says is struggling? Are you actually trying to say that absent Obama’s proclamation of that struggle, it wouldn’t exist? Cuz, I gotta tell ya, I’ll get him on the horn and get this whole thing turned around lickety-split.